What happened to the VP Shooitng thread? It's disappeared?
harry reid - 11:44am Feb 13, 2006 Central“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Can anyone get to it? Also the Cheney thread about Plamegate is gone?
KhachTX - 01:38pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#1 of 18) Going to church no more makes you a Christian than going swimming makes you a fish
havent' seen it....but would like to!
harry reid - 04:08pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#2 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
I spoke to them an hour or so ago. The web site folks were told by "corporate" to make it disappear... along with the thread about him authorizing Libby to leak Plame's name. Incidentally, she was covert and working on IRAN intelligence at the time!
And get this, they didn't want to be embarrassed because of the d- - kless Cheney comments, yet they allow the "f" word from EW to remain?Censoring a totally made up word, and still allowing one of the well known 7 words considered illegal in broadcasting to appear makes as much sense as pillows in coffins! Its BS.. and the Caller Times knows it.. why though? Many of us has used that d- - ckless word for over 3 years.. I traced it to a Cisco, and Linda something as far back as 2003.... posts.
Suddenly it's an embarrassment? Yet the "F" word isnt?
harry reid - 04:15pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#3 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The Kenedy County Sheriff’s Department did not investigate the accidental shooting of prominent Texas lawyer Harry Whittington by Vice President Dick Cheney until the next morning.
Cheney, Whittington and U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein Pam Willeford were hunting quail on the Northwest part of the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch Saturday afternoon, when Cheney, firing at a covey of quail, sprayed Whittington with shotgun pellets.
Katharine Armstrong, one of the owners of the ranch, said the priority was to address Whittington’s injuries, and thus it didn’t occur to the family to contact the authorities. Oddly, she didn't include that in her first statement.. now did she?
"The sheriff came the next morning and took a statement." Armstrong said. "It did not even occur to me. It was not like somebody had robbed a filling station. It was not like a criminal thing."
None in the hunting party was drinking alcohol, Armstrong said.
"No, zero, zippo and I don’t drink at all," she said. "No one was drinking." And now, you couldn't prove it if you had too.. he he...
harry reid - 04:34pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#4 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Well maybe you were right EW. D- - ckless must be much worse than the "f" word, PG was booted off... you're still here.. And he has lost his privileges. Wow, there is something wrong here.. Someone asserted pressure...
Eric W. - 05:13pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#5 of 18)
I am surprised. I don't want anyone to be kicked. Hell, we are all big boy here . . . except for Tejano2K, of course.
harry reid - 05:22pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#6 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Inconsistencies Abound with the Cheney Shooting Response
Word first spread that Vice President Dick Cheney had accidentally shot one of his hunting partners on February 12, nearly 24 hours after the incident occurred, when Katharine Armstrong -- the host of Cheney's hunting party -- passed the story on to her local newspaper, Texas' Corpus Christi Caller-Times. In a February 13 article, National Review White House correspondent Byron York wrote that Armstrong "said she did not coordinate with the vice president's office before calling the Corpus Christi paper." But when a spokeswoman for Cheney responded to the article by saying that, in fact, Armstrong and Cheney discussed specifically how the news would be disclosed to the public, York printed the White House response as an "author's note" at the bottom of the article, with no explanation for the discrepancy in Armstrong's and Cheney's reported accounts.
harry reid - 05:23pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#7 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
From York's article on National Review Online:
Katharine Armstrong said she did not coordinate with the vice president's office before calling the Corpus Christi paper. If Armstrong had not made the call, it is not clear when, if ever, the vice president's office would have told the public about the incident. Asked what would have happened if the accident had happened another way -- if, for example, [Harry] Whittington [the Texas attorney that Cheney shot] had accidentally shot the vice president -- the administration source told NRO that it would have been handled in a similar fashion. "The priorities would have remained the same -- first medical care, then law enforcement alert," the source said. Still, in the case of Saturday's shooting, those matters were taken care of on Saturday, and the press was still not notified until after Katharine Armstrong made the decision to call her local paper.
AUTHOR'S NOTE: After this story appeared, Cheney spokeswoman Lea Anne McBride called NRO to say that Cheney and Katharine Armstrong did discuss telling the public about the incident. "The vice president was on the Armstrong ranch, and they were talking directly," McBride said. "The vice president and Mrs. Armstrong agreed that the media should be notified, and Mrs. Armstrong called her local paper."
harry reid - 05:24pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#8 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The "author's note" raises the question of how the discrepancy occurred, which York gave no indication of trying to answer. There are at least three possibilities: (1) York misrepresented what Armstrong told him; (2) Armstrong did not tell the truth; or (3) the White House did not tell the truth.
York's description of Armstrong's account was similar to a report by CNN. During coverage of a February 13 White House press briefing, CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux noted that Armstrong "told CNN that she did not believe that the Vice President's Office was aware that she was going to go to the local press." But Malveaux pressed White House press secretary Scott McClellan to explain the discrepancy between Armstrong's account and the Bush administration's line:
MALVEAUX: Katharine Armstrong talked to CNN Sunday evening [February 12] and she said that she thought this was going to become a story, so she was going to go to the local press. She also told CNN that she did not believe the Vice President's Office was aware that she was going to go to the local press. How do you square that with your account, that --
McCLELLAN: The vice president spoke with her directly, and they agreed that she would make it public.
MALVEAUX: Are you saying that she's lying? That her --
McCLELLAN: No. You ought to check with her.
MALVEAUX: We did check with her. So you're saying that's not correct?McCLELLAN: The vice president spoke directly with Mrs. Armstrong, and they agreed that she would make the information public.
harry reid - 05:29pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#9 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
REALLY? C'mon Scotty.. who's telling the truth now? The WH track record hasn't been all that good.. we all remember Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, the now famous LEVEE line from Bubble Boy etc.
Someone please, step forward and actually set the record straight.. for once!
Eric W. - 06:01pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#10 of 18)
Yeah, the Republicans assasinated Tillman, fabricated the rescue of Jessica and blew up the levees with atomic bombs to kill poor Black in New Orleans so that rich White people could steal their property.
FT__TX - 06:20pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#11 of 18) "You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness" ~Ronald Reagan~
hairless, as usual, you're makin' a giant mountain out of a tiny molehill here.
Anyone that has ever been bird hunting with a group of shooters, has been "peppered" by shotgun pellets.
It happens all the time.
The reson it's generally no big deal, is that normaly, when using 7 1/2 shot, it'd be tough to break even skin, unless the person "peppered" was really close. Or, if you were older and with that, had thin skin. As older people often do.
Cheney's hunting partner must have forgotten typical bird hunting rules. If you're going to approach a fellow hunter in the field, it's your own responsibility to alert your fellow hunter that you're within range. The hunter is looking for birds. Not for people quietly approaching the firing zone, from behind, unannounced.
That's just the way it is, and always will be, for everyone who's ever gone bird hunting.
harry reid - 07:31pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#12 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
No, the administration tried to invent, fabricate heroes.. they wanted walking talkind recruitment posters.. laugh all you want EW, but when your government (has to resort to trickery, deception, bald faced lies) for recruitment something is way wrong!
I've never accused anyone of blowing up levees, but our own government's report says they screwed the pooch.. and we now know Bush lied while trying to deflect the heat about the levee's.
harry reid - 07:36pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#13 of 18) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The questions I've raised have little or nothing to do with anything you mention in your post FT.
The question/s I've raised are about the response to the accident, NOT the accident.
From__Said - 07:38pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#14 of 18) I did NOT vote for him - and I'm proud of it!
The whole media world is wondering why it took over 8 hours for the news to reach the rest of the world, about Cheney shooting one of his best friends. And the poor guy is still in ICU.
If that's how Cheney treats his friends, how will he treat his enemies?
Never mind, not expecting an answer.
Eric W. - 07:55pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#15 of 18)
The guy ain't in ICU because of the seriousness of his wound. The guy got a couple of bird shot. If it was anyone else they who have their wife pick 'em out with the tweezer like mine does.
Doya think the next time I hit my thumb with the hammer or stub my toe or do some asphalt surfin' on my motorcycle I need to call the sheriff and then call the national press corp.
Jan Shilling - 09:12pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#16 of 18)
Why are bird dogs not used to fetch up birds on a hunting ranch?
Is this a common practice?
Elwood Blues - 10:15pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#17 of 18) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
Sorry about porter,harry.We're all here at the sysop's pleasure,I guess..though I doubt anyone here was truly offended by the nickname.
I suspect the delay in reporting the incident was due more to alcohol being involved than anyone else.I know Eric,FT,and GR are no strangers to a good ol' South Texas quail hunt..so what do you fellas think? Think there mighta been a couple shots of some good whiskey..maybe a few cold cervezas over the course of the day?
I'm not saying Cheney was falling down drunk..but given the political climate these days..word gets out his BAC was even 0.01%..there'd still be a firestorm over it..so,even if he'd only had a beer or two,he'd be made out to be a drunk an alcoholic or he might even have Carlos Valdez (a Dem DA who wouldn't mind the publicity at Cheney's expense) wanting a word with him.
Jaime Kenedeno - 10:31pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#18 of 23)
HR: "What happened to the VP Shootng thread? It's disappeared?"
Right here.
http://armstrongranch.blogspot.com/
Eric W. - 10:34pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#19 of 23)
According to folks who were there no alcohol was involved. I'm sure y'all have some special insight, possibly an inside source or a devine revelation.
I don't know that they were hunting with dogs. I doesn't appear that he was shot while trying to retrieve a bird anyway.
Elwood Blues - 11:07pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#20 of 23) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
No special insight claimed..I'm just tryin' to calibrate my "bovine excrement" meter.
harry reid - 11:47pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#21 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
TDS: Cheney makes Stewart so happy! Jon Stewart was having a really boring weekend and he was really sad. Nothing had been getting his blood boiling lately and he just wasn't excited to be alive anymore-Until:
Video-WMP Video-QT Later
Stewart was on fire tonight:
"Whittington was mistaken for a bird."
"Harry Whittington, seasoned to an inch of his life."
"Don't let your kids go hunting with the Vice President. I don't care what kind of lucrative contracts they're trying to land or-energy regulations they're trying to get lifted. He'll shoot them in the face."
Rob Courdry joined in.
harry reid - 11:48pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#22 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
TDS: Cheney makes Stewart so happy! continued...
Courdry: "Jon, tonight the Vice President is standing by his decision to shoot Harry Whittington. Now according to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the brush. Everyone believed at the time-there-were-quail in the brush. And while the quail turned out to be the 78 year old man. Even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists-he still would have shot Mr. Whittington in the face.
harry reid - 11:54pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#23 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Oh sure, there's no reason not to believe anything ANYONE in the Bush Admin says. After all, they've been so forthright these past 5 years...
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