CCPD captain fired
By David Kassabian (Contact)
Originally published 03:11 p.m., November 9, 2007
Updated 03:11 p.m., November 9, 2007
CORPUS CHRISTI — Corpus Christi Police Department Capt. Jay Vesely was fired Friday in connection with allegations of wrongdoing at the city’s vehicle impound lot, according to a written statement from Chief Bryan Smith.
Vesely is the second officer fired in connection with allegations of wrongdoing at the impound lot. A third officer, Lt. Weldon L. Weber, was put on paid administrative leave Tuesday and on Friday received a written disciplinary letter.
Senior Officer Martin Jasso, a 22-year veteran with the department, was fired Nov. 2 for abusing his authority as an officer for buying vehicles from the lot, according to a letter Smith sent to the city’s Civil Service Commission and Human Resources Department.
Vesely, who had been with the department for more than 20 years, was the executive officer in patrol responsible for overseeing officers in the downtown and Annaville areas. Weber had been with the department for about 17 years, police officials said.
Post 1 November 9, 2007 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great Job Mr. Smith for doing what is right. I know it's not an easy thing to do. Great work.
Post 2 November 9, 2007 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Smith. Lets clean it up. Great job
Post 3 November 9, 2007 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am not too happy that Weber got off. He did not deserve to get off. He is not a good officer and should not be in any leadership role. Anybody that is in command that makes up bad things about other cops to get them into trouble should not be on top of subordinates.
Oh well..you can't get your way all of the time, I guess. I am happy with most of the outcome here. It is sad seeing everyone's dirty laundry being spread out on here.
The Chief may be at the bottom of the totem pole here due to all of the negative publicity. However, it seems like he is truley trying to make things right by doing everything the right way here. It is hard letting go of someone you are close to but what is more important?...the officer or how the public views your ability to run a department.
I am still sceptical of him and he is going to have to really prove to me that he can clean this department up. This was a good start.
Post 4 November 9, 2007 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 3 is on the money, for the most part, but something else needs to be looked at - CCPOA involvement in the whole thing!
They started the mess by trying to nail Ken Bung for wanting to use an impound tractor to mow the new firing range (which Ybarra complained about LOUDLY). Made accusations to the Chief(s), who did the right thing and called in outside law enforcement to investigate. Sort of backfired on Ybarra and CCPOA, didn't it?
Ever wonder who's pulling Ybarra's strings these days? Could it be a failed CCPD SGT named Larry Olivarez who's now chasing ambulances for Celis & Company? Possibly Pete Alvarez, who after filling the ranks with compadres and homeys, refused to take responsibility every time something went wrong in the Department?"
Yep! CCPOA is now right up there with LULAC #1, GI Forum and their like - raise a lot of noise, but don't do a damned whing to make the situation better.
Post 5 November 9, 2007 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
17, 22 and more than 20 years . Do they lose their retirement? Those are long years for nothing if they do.
Post 6 November 9, 2007 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
They should have thought about that before they decided to do crooked things. Some police in this town think they can get away with anything. These guys thought they were above the law instead on enforcing it. Once you go crooked where do you draw the line?
Post 7 November 9, 2007 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One more dirty policeman gone. now they need to bring up charges for illegally confiscating cars and selling them. The FBI needs to supoena the lawyers that knew what was going on and question them. The testimony on some of these wrongdoing has been recorded by the court recorder at the courthouse on the 7th floor.
Some of these dirty policemen need to go to jail. Doesn't make sense to just fire them if they committed a crime. Houston and New Orleans does not need anymore crooked cops.
Post 8 November 9, 2007 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)
post 3 You are right, and he did it to an officer I know too. Atleast Vesley who is worse no longer carries his badge or gun. Crooks don't deserve it.
Post 9 November 9, 2007 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Keep Smith, Bung should go!
Post 10 November 9, 2007 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
post 4 ...... that was beautiful! Loved your post! Especially the failed SGT Larry Olivarez part! lol ; )
You just gotta know that ole Larry and Celis have been on the phone with some of their buddies saying..."WTH?" "Why aren't you deflecting attention away from us??? Then BAM, All hell breaks loose down at CCPD. I have a funny feeling it's ALL connected somehow.
Post 11 November 9, 2007 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well, no ethnic defense league to raise cain for these guys- isn't that why they were profiled? nobody to cry foul like there would be for others. sorry to say but i think that is the point here-grab the guys no one will be able to yell racism over- makes it look like their cleaning house with no backwash from minority legal defenders.
Post 12 November 9, 2007 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I PERSONALLY THINK OFFICER JASSO IS ALSO A FALL GUY. I HAVE KNOW HIM FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND HE IS AN OUTSTANDING PERSON AND OFFICER. I DON'T THINK HE WOULD TAKE A CHANCE LIKE THAT TO JEOPARDIZE HIS CAREER.
JASSO: SORRY ABOUT THAT MY FRIEND. YOU HAVE RISKED SO MUCH FOR THE CCPD. HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE BEACH ONE DAY. BEST OF LUCK.
Post 13 November 9, 2007 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good job Chief Smith!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the good work, we know there is more to do and you have the prayers and support of the citizens of Corpus Christi.
Post 14 November 9, 2007 at 6:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 11 ----- Now let me get this straight, you are angry because the guys that were fired were NOT of an ethnic minority. You really want a minority fired so they can be defended ---- WOW!!! Can you "splain dat."
Post 15 November 9, 2007 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WAY TO GO Bryan Smith! I knew you'd do the right thing! Now go get the rest of the garbage taken out.
Domingo Ibarra sure was singing a different song tonight on KIII. He's just trying to make political noise and grab power. He doesn't have nearly the support he thinks he does.
Post 16 November 9, 2007 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We have a REAL Police Chief now. This guy is doing things that previous Chiefs didn't have near about enough guts to take on and he is doing this with people attacking him from all sides.
Keep it up Chief -- we (the citizens of Corpus Christi) really appreciate your efforts.
Post 17 November 9, 2007 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 3. You are way off about Lt. Weber. Blogs like this allow this type of passive aggressive behavior by people that don’t have the courage to solve their issues face to face. Unfortunately, many believe everything they read and don’t question the fallaciousness of this polemic exchange. Statements made here do not necessarily have any relationship with the truth. They are mostly made to purposely further particular political agendas and to support particular factions. There was a full investigation - move on and start trying to figure out how to work for the common goals that we share instead of making personal attacks that further divide this community. Quit casting stones – self righteousness is not very flattering.
Post 18 November 9, 2007 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm so glad to see our community has two fine leaders in Chief Bryan Smith and Sherriff Jim Kaelin. They are just getting started cleaning things up in this town. Let's make sure they get the support they need from the citizens AND the city council.
Post 19 November 9, 2007 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think anyone wants to see someone lose their job, however, this stuff had to be cleaned up. The Chief said he was going to clean up the Dept and he is doing it. I am sure everyone will get this message.
Post 20 November 9, 2007 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Saw a news story on Channel 5 that talked about a 20 year old woman getting her muscle car impounded because it desired by a police officer. We should thank CCPD for saving us the gas of driving down to Mexico to experience what it would be like to have our vehicle taken away by a police officer. There are many good cops in out town and then there are some like Asst. Chief Ken Dung who is in charge of the City impound lot that needs to go ASAP! The citizens and the trustworthy cops in C.C. deserve better.
Post 21 November 9, 2007 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is really crushing news. What about all of the officers out there that look up to the command. Especially all of the newer guys/gals. They are still wet behind the ears when it comes to the political BS that goes on within the department.
All of this brings bad morale and the sense of no structure. What does all of this teach our newer officers?
Right now the only people I feel sorry for are the hard working officers that risk their lives protecting ours. They are there because they like helping people. Stuff like this crap just hardens who they are and they tend to build those callous characteristics that many of us civilians grow to hate.
Post 22 November 9, 2007 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 17...tell me how am I off?
I know for a fact that Weber tried ratting out some good officers for something he says they did not do.
That really upsets me to hear that he would do that to his own. I thought highly of him and to hear something like this really dissappointed me.
He is suppose to be a leader. He is suppose to not make judgement over officers he personally likes or dislikes. He should not use his power to make gain for himself. He should work diligently with other divisions of the department instead of trying to throw his weight around and get rid of people so his own people can work in areas he wants them to.
I have heard several officers that have had many years on the department that are wanting to retire early and get out because of all the political BS that is going on. These are good officers that go to work everyday and do their jobs they way they are suppose to. But because they dont play along the good old boy system they get singled out.
Post 23 November 9, 2007 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
post 5: They need to have criminal charges against them not just get fired and loose their retirement. We are talking about theft of private property. Police officers take an oath to serve and protect.
They are public servants and not above those they are sworn to protect.
Post 24 November 9, 2007 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posts 1&2 ,if you really want clean up lets get rid of Bryan Smith.
He is a cheater, dog and anyone who hangs around him will only get fleas!
Post 25 November 9, 2007 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
All of you good officers out there need to stick and work together in order to make a difference in your department. You all are the future leaders. Is this the kind of department you want when you have put in 10yrs+? Learn to be a team. Without each other you cannot get the job done. You will disagree on things but that is why you work together and give in on both sides in order to get the job done. Not one officer is better than the other. All of you are equal. Uniform and plain clothes officers need each other in order to get the job done.
Post 26 November 9, 2007 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Cool. Great job Chief Smith! Now lets see if he does something about all the other crooked cops trading "information" for "favors" from the prostitutes out there. Yes, I have a few "women of the night" friends that I see and have gotten friendly with, and yes, they do talk. They've all said that they do "special free favors" if the cops let them know when and where the prostitute stings will be.
Post 27 November 9, 2007 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 3,
you need to seek therapy. Learn to face your problems instead of ruminating on an anonymous blog. If you have any facts to support your hysterical rants and claims, seek out the Chief of the department or the recognized employee organization to air them. The truth of the matter is the Lt. was found innocent and received a letter of discipline for community perception reasons to placate the fury caused by the actions of the other individuals AND the mishandling & slander by local TV stations such as KZTV.
Post 28 November 9, 2007 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)
After all of this Corpus needs to folow San Antonio and other major cities lead. Any officer (or any city employee) who is cought with a vehicle that has been impounded or sold at the police auction within two years of the date of impoundment is FIRED!!!!! Does not have to own it, just cought with it.. I bet this would take care of any croked officers or city employees. Hire an out of town person to over see the impound yard. Some one with knowledge of impound law and experence in this field. Give him the power to enforce it.. Start an office of profesional standards with an officer and civillan employees that answer only to the City Council, Mayor, and Police Chief. This gives the other employees a place to complain about crooked employees with out having to go and file a police report..
Post 29 November 9, 2007 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 24 ----- What the heck are you talking about. This Chief is doing an exceptional job. The entire community should be supporting his actions. He is doing what should have been done long ago. He is a good man, doing a good job.
Post 30 November 9, 2007 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
29-------Thats just that gal that is hung up on the Chief --- she needs to get a life.
Post 31 November 9, 2007 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
All three of them broke the law. All three of them should have been fired. I guess Lt Weber must be an untouchable to the good old boys. Lucky him. He got away with a crime and Capt Vesely and Jasso didn't. Talk about fair and balanced politics. (shaking head)
Post 32 November 9, 2007 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, let's see . . . first the Water Department fiasco, then the Building Inspector corruption, and now the Police Department. All this is the results of years of unchecked nepotism, good-ol-boys, and the patron system allowed to occur by lackluster leadership and a befouled Human Resources Department. I worked for the city for more than 15 years, and I can tell you some stories that you would not believe. The paper and TV don't even come close to telling what really happens.
I visited the Sparkling City by the City a few months ago and was appalled, but not really surprised, at the VERY VISIBLE graffiti, litter, high grass, gang-influenced suburb-of-Mexico that the city has become. It looks worse than a cheap and filthy border town.
Too bad. There was always a lot of potential for the city to be more than the dump and ghetto it has become. Your white and hispanic "leaders" are too busy getting a "piece of the pie" for themselves. Don't believe their phony altruism - it's all about greed, political ambition, corruption, paybacks, and feathering their own nests.
After living there and graduating with three college degrees, the best thing I ever did for my family was packing up and moving away.
For those of you that still can, get out before it's too late. For those of you that are stuck there, get some new council members with enough backbone to turn things around.
Post 33 November 9, 2007 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wonder what kind of negotiations were done between Smith and Weber in order for him to keep his job?
Post 34 November 9, 2007 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You are right about describing CC. I get this dirty feeling when I am in town. There is no class.
Post 35 November 9, 2007 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think the movie "American Gangster" is nothing compared to this town..........
Post 36 November 9, 2007 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 27, I dont have a problem. I am not about to say what officers that were wrongly accused of something by Weber. Why should I? I know how the department works. They just proved that today by not firing him. He broke the law. He got away with it. If any of the officers that he ever did wrong were to complain against him it is very obvious that thier lives would be hell at the department. The good old boys like your buddy Weber will do whatever it takes to get rid of them. Weber has no room to be scrutinizing other officers to make himself look like a saint.
I am angry with the outcome of this result but at the same time I still feel bad for Weber. I thought highly of him and to me he was a really cool guy. I just don't understand all of the backstabbing that is being done right now.
What a lovely police department CC has.
I went from supporting our chief 100% and sticking up for him at many points on here to not trusting his judgement at all. Then I started to see some light for him with the decisions he made for the officers that were involved in this scandal but then he lets one off. I just don't understand.
Post 37 November 9, 2007 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When the "boys in blue" go bad, it's time for a change.
When is the mayor, a former cop, going to do something and clean up this mess?
Wow, if your were the mayor, how would you like to leave a legacy like this?
When is the council going to stop dueling amongst themselves and really do something for "The City of Corpus Christi?"
This town is turning into a laughingstock!
Let's make a change. But . . . nobody ever votes.
Post 38 November 9, 2007 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nobody wants to vote because all of the candidates are not good. Only the crooked ones run for office.
Post 39 November 9, 2007 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The crimes that were investigated occurred in 2004 and 2005 prior to Chief Smith's appointment as Chief of Police. Chief Smith is not a part of the problem, he is the solution.
Post 40 November 9, 2007 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Way to Go, Chief Smith!!!! Corpus Christi can be a wonderful city with a STRONG Chief and with people in authority who do care about their citizens. Get rid of these dirty cops, Chief.
Post 41 November 9, 2007 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You reap what you sow.
Isn't there one honest politician in corpus? That may be an oxymoron, but from what I see, they all have an axe to grind or they all have "connections" to benefit themselves.
It's too bad a city of this size acts like a small town when it come to local politics.
No wonder we look like a bunch of hayseeds - too much ethnic divisiveness to attract businesses. Poor leadership. Way to go, mayor!
Post 42 November 9, 2007 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To post 3, 33 and 36 you are way off base. You just needed to rant about something and this is the "latest story". Post 17 and 27 good job!! If any of you actually know Lt. Weber you would know that he would have your back at any time. Nothing has ever been said about what he was accused of, obviously not what the 2 other officers that were fired were accused of or he would be in the same position. I have know Lt. Weber for 29 years and he is a stand up guy. So don't cast stones when you do not know all of the facts. Most of what everyone on this post are saying is all ones opinion (they probably got a ticket or went to jail for illegal activity and just want to slander someone). Good thing they don't post emails any longer or you could be tracked down and sued for slander. So all of you negative nellies get a life!
Post 43 November 9, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey, all you posters that are bending over backwards to praise the chief - if you really want to kiss his a**, do it in person.
He's not as pure as the driven snow.
And you know it.
Post 44 November 9, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 37
A lot of the problems that exist now were created by our beloved Mayor /ex Chief.
Brian Smith is headed the right direction, just give him some time. The problems came about over years and they won't be fixed in a matter of a few days/weeks.
Post 45 November 9, 2007 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just asking, did the mayor ever graduate from college? Seem to remember that was an issue when he was appointed Chief of Police years ago.
And now, he's the mayor! What a success story. Look how good your community is! Is there a correlation?
Post 46 November 9, 2007 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 43
The thing that I know is that, based on your comment, you'd rather have things stay the way they are. Are you one of those dirty cops?
Post 47 November 9, 2007 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 31
*** All three of them broke the law. All three of them should have been fired. I guess Lt Weber must be an untouchable to the good old boys. Lucky him. He got away with a crime and Capt Vesely and Jasso didn't. ***
What laws were broken?
Post 28
*** Hire an out of town person to over see the impound yard. Some one with knowledge of impound law and experence in this field. ***
What exactly IS "impound law" ?
Mr. X
Post 48 November 9, 2007 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey!!! If you don't want cops supplementing their income in shady ways THEN give them decent pay and good pension plan. Then they will have something to lose besides a thankless job with the dangers of being shot. It amazes me how some of the most important jobs, fire dept, teachers and police are treated so poorly here.... Did you know that they don't even get their social security paid for because they are "exempt state workers"... Its so retarded here. as for cries for better leadship... Please???!!! As they say money talks and .....
Post 49 November 9, 2007 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Very well put post #32. I was visiting the Rio Grande Valley around the McAllen Metro area last week and I was astonished as to the nice streets, clean neighborhoods, nice shopping centers, and of course their elegant 70 million dollar convention center. That town rocks. I saw new restaraunts that I have only seen in Houston and Dallas already open for business down their. A buddy of mine told me that McAllen has an effective and highly respected city commission and city manager. I think our city leaders could learn something from them and I hope that they turn this town around because it is going to the dumps.
Post 50 November 9, 2007 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well now,let's see if we can cut off the Head of the Snake and be Done with the Chief and his Assistant too! Give them all the Boot and Start over with some NEW faces. Smith has enough Skeletons in his closet to Feed All the Dogs at the Animal Shelter for eternity.
Post 51 November 9, 2007 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 32 said it very Well. Could not have explained it any better.
There is nothing in Corpus Christi to see or do. If we want to do something, we go somewhere else out of town and spend our dollars over there.
Post 52 November 9, 2007 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CCPD's Greatest Hits VOLUME I
(1) "Another One Bites the Dust"
(2) "Why Can't We Be Friends"
(3) "All My Exes Live In CORPUS"
(4) "Take This Job and Shove It"
(5) "I Think Your BADGE Is Sexy"
(6) "Friends in Low Places"
(7) "I've Come to Expect It From You"
(8) "No One Needs To Know" - Shania Twain
(9) "T-R-O-U-B-L-E"- Travis Tritt
(10) "Sold(The Grundy County Auction Indident)"-John Michael
Montgomery
Post 53 November 9, 2007 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's see if ccpd will find out where the other vehicles went too?If it goes any farther. The ccpd does not want to look like the same crooks they put behind bars? Remenber voter we are not them and they are us ( meaning people that break the law). the ccpd use the motto (do as I say not as I do. you will go to jail and I'll get a..... !)
Post 54 November 9, 2007 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here goes Mr. X again defending crooks
Post 55 November 10, 2007 at 12:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 31 wrote, "All three of them broke the law. All three of them should have been fired. I guess Lt Weber must be an untouchable to the good old boys. Lucky him. He got away with a crime and Capt Vesely and Jasso didn't. Talk about fair and balanced politics. (shaking head)"
Post 31 do you believe in cookie cutter justice?
It has not (yet) been established that ANY of the three of them broke the law. Innocent until proven guilty, or did you forget?
What the Chief DID establish were violations of Department Policies of varying degree. In the cases of Jasso and Vesely those violations of policy must have been much more severe or frequent than in the case of Weber.
The Chief has the end results of the investigation, and you don't.
So for you to say that Weber is "an untouchable to the good old boys," shows nothing more than your own ignorance of the situation and your own, "Kill `em all and let God sort `em out," mentality.
Post 56 November 10, 2007 at 12:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 43 ~ that one rocked!
~d1~
Post 57 November 10, 2007 at 1:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Chief needs to continue the work on cleaning up CCPD….
There is a supervisor in CCPD that gave an improper order to a new Officer that was still on probation. If the rookie obeyed the order, he would be in violation of departmental policy. However, if he disobeyed the request, then he feared that he would suffer punishment or retaliation by the supervisor. In fear of losing his job, the rookie obeyed the order and violated policy.
Later, a citizen made a complaint on this same supervisor. The supervisor knew that there were other Officers that witnessed some of the possible misdeeds. He knew that these witnesses might be asked to give statements about what had occurred. The supervisor misused his position of authority to send a letter to all of the witnesses. In his letter, the supervisor made statements to discredit the citizen that had complained against him. I’m sure that the letter was intimidating to these Officers, since he was their supervisor and was in a position to affect their careers and livelihoods. I looked up “witness tampering”…..wikipedia has a simplified definition.
This supervisor was involved in a domestic disturbance to which Officers were called to his home. The responding Officers noted that the supervisor had been drinking, the Officers on scene observed him driving a car, and the supervisor admitted fighting with his girlfriend over his city owned pistol. The supervisor did not call for his superior to be notified (as policy requires), nor did he request his superior to be called to the scene. The supervisor misused his position of authority to force the Officers on scene to circumvent policy.
In a separate incident, this same supervisor claimed that he had consensual sex with a woman that he knew to be mentally ill. Can the mentally ill give consent? Anyway, at least poor judgement, if not illegal.
The entire Department knows of this guy’s misdeeds, but yet he keeps his job and his position as a supervisor. If he were not a supervisor and in a position of authority, then he would have been fired already. The situation is demoralizing for the Officers and disgraceful to the Department. I think the Chief should ferret out this rogue supervisor and terminate him from the Department before any further damage is done. I intended to list the name of this cancer, but I cannot recall it at the moment. I have every confidence that the Chief knows the identity of this guy.
Post 58 November 10, 2007 at 1:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't see how ANYONE can still have confidence in our City Officials or the CCPD.
First there's the multi-million dollar Wi-Fi fiasco, that was unloaded on Earthlink, who unloaded it completely.
Then there was the load of crap in our water and the subsequent Water Department debacle, which the taxpayers were fined $12,000 thanks to Skip Noe.
Oh yeah, then the Building Inspector corruption case which they're trying to sweep under the rug.
And now those who are sworn to protect & serve. . . the CC Police Department, whose Chief has lost credibility with the public & the police, the command staff who protect each other, and their boss, Skip Noe, who says they're doing a good job.
Meanwhile, our murder rate has tripled and area women get raped at twice the national average.
Again, I don't see how people still have ANY confidence in our City Leaders.
Post 59 November 10, 2007 at 1:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bryan Smith should listen to those songs over and over again.
Post 52~Some others come to mind as well but that list tops it.
~d1~
Post 60 November 10, 2007 at 2:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Post 58 is right....wake up people!
~d1~
Post 61 November 10, 2007 at 2:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I know Marty personally and for many years (many more than 22). He is one of the finest individuals I know.
Chief Smith, you couldn't have chosen a worse time to start firing officers and more over an officer I know personally and with the allegations of impropriety when you have much deeper problems with your officer team.
As for the CID, yeah,.... we know how those investigations are
conducted.
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(by definition) UNCONSCIONABLE doesn't the City always advantage it's superior bargaining power?
Posted on November 9, 2007 at 00:17:55 AM by Jaime Kenedeno
Unconscionability (also known as Unconscientious Dealings) is a term used in contract law to describe a defense against the enforcement of a contract based on the presence of terms unfair to one party. Typically, such a contract is held to be
unenforceable because the consideration offered is lacking or is so obviously inadequate that to enforce the contract would be unfair to the party seeking to escape the contract.
In and of itself, inadequate consideration is likely not enough to make a contract unenforceable. However, a court of law will consider evidence that one party to the contract took advantage of its superior bargaining power to insert provisions that make the agreement overwhelmingly favor the interests of that party. Usually for a court to find a contract unconscionable the party claiming unconscionability will have to prove both that there was a problem with the substance of the contract and the process through which that contract was formed. The substantive problem will usually be the consideration, but could also be the terms, interest payments, or other obligations the court finds unfair. Procedural issues that a court could consider include a party's lack of choice, superior bargaining position or knowledge, and other circumstances surrounding the bargaining process.
Upon finding unconscionability a court has a great deal of flexibility on how it remedies the situation. It may refuse to enforce the contract, refuse to enforce the offending clause, or take other measures it deems necessary to have a fair outcome. Damages are usually not awarded.
1) A crime was committed that placed the person in the position of lesser bargaining power.
2) Has the other party (the seller) filed seeking to escape the contract and if so when and under what circumstances.
When a vehicle is impounded in our city lot the retrieval process in itself is unconscionable. Ask somebody who has been there!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconsciona...
~JK~
